/u/RainierCamino
Yeah, Ukraine targeting infrastructure with an aim to
slow Russia's war machine and effect public opinion
while Russia *checks notes* just bombed a zoo. |
/u/xCharg
checks notes just bombed a zoo.
Also monastery and a cinema studio with biggest
clothing collection. Each of course had hundreds of NATO
chiefs inside, because you know, where else could they
possibly be. |
/u/liguinii
Destroying Ukranian culture has been their goal all
along. |
/u/Future-kills
Those chiefs had documents about Putin assassination
plans and gay propaganda. |
/u/KMS_HYDRA
Those elephants had it coming, always standing in some
random room waiting to get addressed. /s |
/u/Critical-Current636
You don't understand, Putin denazified elephants, they
had it coming |
/u/mfb-
"Can we address the elephant in the room?"
"Yes, aggressing the elephant in the zoo." |
/u/Ok-Click-80085
"Boris I said address not erase" |
/u/Racnous
Hey, didn't you read about Hannibal of Carthage in
school? Elephants are totally a weapon of war! Valid
target! |
/u/czs5056
It seems that one is taking war more seriously than the
other. |
/u/Ok_Potential359
What are you talking about? Don't get me wrong, Ukraine
has fought like crazy but there's a lot of propaganda
being tossed around. Russia has bombed many of their
hospitals and attacked their power grid.
Please don't undermine the damage Russia has caused.
There's a reason Zelensky went to every country and took
the humiliation of asking the US for aid because without
it, Ukraine would've lost this war within the first few
months it started. |
/u/Woolier-Mammoth
Ukrainians have been extraordinary. Truly a David vs
Goliath story. |
/u/CatalyticDragon
Or in this case Davyd vs Vlad+Donny. |
/u/Reasonable_Gas_2498
They really have been.
Not to take anything away from Ukraine, we should also
mention Europe, the US and friends that massively
supported and/or still support Ukriane. |
/u/VEMODMASKINEN
As a European... Nah, fuck that.
Ukrainians have been dying for us for 4 years to weaken
one of our greatest threats.
We haven't supported them nearly enough. |
/u/nationwideonyours
Let's all contribute what we can to a Ukraine charity.
I've done so since the beginning. Maybe if we all pitch
in now, victorious Ukraine can put Moscow to bed. |
/u/Stingray77_NL
https://u24.gov.ua is the official donation site for
ukraine. |
/u/KindledWanderer
we should also mention Europe
Yes, we really should mention Europe, and how
idiotically it has been behaving not just during this
whole war but also in the last 20 years, at least.
Saying this as a European. |
/u/SerLaron
I'm not saying that Ukraine did not deserve to be a
country of its own before the war, but after the
collapse of the Soviet Union many expected it to remain
closely tied to Russia and probably re-unite with them
at some point, perhaps similar to the impression
Belorussia gives.
When the current war is over, Ukraine will have a
national myth and foundation story on par with the
American war of independence. |
/u/Cultural_Gur_7441
Now let's be fair. The systemic rot and stupidity of
Russian military has also exceeded all conventional
military expectations. |
/u/DJbuddahAZ
True that. No one expected that to be the paper tiger it
was either. |
/u/gottagohype
My whole childhood, Russia as a the big scary bear, was
a lie. Crazy how hard everyone hyped them up in
retrospect. I remember Russia invading the USA in Modern
Warfare 2... |
/u/demipopthrow
There is lots of money to be made off scared Americans. |
/u/drksdr
funnily enough, this was kinda the major plot point in
the Battlefield 6 campaign.
CIA and the MIC were complicit in creating and funding
the Big Bad because America was 'at its best' when
united in common cause against a powerful foreign enemy.
That they lost control of said Big Bad is also kinda
expected. |
/u/HonourableYodaPuppet
The game has a singleplayer campaign? Lol I never
noticed. |
/u/drksdr
Its really good. and the levels are amazing, its
criminal what little of it got translated to the
mulitplayer. Seriously.
If you think the SP was a waste of effort (which is a
fair enough take for a pure PVP types, even if i
disagree), than play it and consider how much more of a
waste it was they none of those amazing assets have been
used. |
/u/Bornee35
Serious question, what assets / mechanics didn't make it
into multiplayer? I've both played and enjoyed SP / MP,
trying to think what's missing here. |
/u/REDACTED3560
No one in America has been afraid of the Russians for a
long time. COD just had to pick a villain of some sort. |
/u/Universal_Anomaly
It's similar to the lie that under Mussolini the trains
ran on time.
Exploitative and oppressive regimes need to justify
their existence by claiming their cruel methods yield
results, but callousness promotes selfishness,
selfishness is the root of corruption, and corruption is
the opposite of competence.
Whatever strength they have is either stolen or
inherited, and even then their projected strength is
much greater than reality.
The harder a state like Russia bellows about its
supposed strength the more likely it is that they really
don't want others to put it to the test. |
/u/Exldk
Unfortunately the US just lost the war against Iran as
well, so both superpowers are made of paper. |
/u/geistofsainttraft
During your childhood they actually were scarier. The
Russian military has been hollowed out by corruption and
yes-men since then. |
/u/arkaydee
There's a very big difference. I'm assuming you mean
back when they were still the Soviet Union. That was
before most tanks were sent to storage to rot. That was
before we had mass produced antitank weaponry. That was
before we had drones.
What has afflicted the Russian military is that it
hasn't really been modernized over a close to 40 year
period, while the Soviet Union crumbled. They didn't
keep their weapons industry running the same way the
soviet union did. Their military never got properly
blooded, except skirmishes against much weaker enemies.
The soviet union was one scary, scary bear. |
/u/SadKaleidoscope6473
Eh, they are/were scary not because they are a bear, but
because they have their own peculiar value system that
makes Phyrric victories their bag baby. |
/u/MankyTed
That's a dangerous attitude, they still have nukes. All
civilisation could be wiped inside 2 hours. Russia sucks
balls, but they are still very dangerous |
/u/OyVeyzMeir
Maybe. If they were maintained at all. Remember the
"winter uniforms"? Also, what's one way to ensure Russia
is turned to glass? Just TRY to launch a nuke. I very
seriously doubt Putin has the political capital to order
a nuclear strike and make it happen at this point. |
/u/ChefPuree
Having nukes is not the same thing as having nukes that
have been properly maintained for the last 50 years,
didn't have those maintenance funds stolen , and are
therefore functional.
I think after everything we've seen they very likely
have only a few nuclear weapons that are functional. |
/u/AdditionalSwimming1
You know how much money they spent to make you believe
that? |
/u/Masseyrati80
Just some years after hyping up their T-90 as pretty
much invincible and displaying futuristic 'infantry
uniforms' that supposedly gave ultimate protection,
thermal vision an whatnot all packaged into something
that could have been from the star wars, it turns out
they had a handful of those tanks and very limited
capacity for making more, and sent guys out in uniforms
from the 60s. (wonder where that batch of Russian
camouflage uniforms came from, the ones one could buy in
some European surplus stores some years before the 22
attack?) And, someone had replaced decent truck tires
with bogus ones, for personal profit, tires that
couldn't make it out of a hangar without breaking. |
/u/Wazlington
are tanks still an important part of this war? are
russia still using them on the battlefield? or has it
almost all pivoted to drones? |
/u/SomeRandomSomeWhere
They still seem to use the occasional tank. Probably not
as much since they are digging out tanks from the 60s,
70s, or even 50s to use nowadays. |
/u/CakeTester
They just did some mechanical archaeology to try and get
the last 800 T-72s from the cold war working, if that's
any help. |
/u/FrankyFistalot
Hey come on now...you are forgetting the ultra high tech
motorcycle and sidebath combo for medical
evacuations....it's truly cutting edge. |
/u/Pretty_Committee_767
I remember in the early days wondering why Ukraine kept
killing the Russian commanders, they were doing such a
good job... for Ukraine |
/u/Sorry_Car_5093
While it is true that endemic corruption and
incompetence whitin the Russian military has heavily
played in our favour, it would also be wrong to
underestimate them too much. I mean, their combat drone
experience and capabilities are currently far beyond
those of NATO.
My fear is that this "russian incompetence" narrative
could be leveraged by some as a pretext to not prepare
ourselves seriously for an hypothetical future conflict. |
/u/Cultural_Gur_7441
Yes. I see the Russian meat waves and meat trickle
infiltration tactics as stark warning. If a military is
not capable of inflicting 1000+ sustained daily losses
on invading Russians, it's going to go badly.
European militaries are not ready, not by far. The
traditional math has been about making an attack too
costly, too insane. In Ukraine we see there is no such
thing. Enough firepower used every day is the only way
to stop this kind of an attack. |
/u/OyVeyzMeir
What future conflict? Russia is completely f*cked!
They've gutted their population of healthy young males
to the point their demographics won't recover for
decades. They don't have the infrastructure anymore to
build weaponry. Their economy has been decimated and
they can't afford to fully rearm. I could be wrong but
the past four years has been far more devastating to
Russia than Ukraine. |
/u/rhymeswithgumbox
I mean, all that's true now and the war's not over. |
/u/Sorry_Car_5093
I do not entirely agree. Yes, their economy and
demographics are in a bad place, but they are currently
still capable of producing vast amounts of weaponry and
logistical equipment (i.e., Geran/Shaheds, cruise
missiles, artillery shells, transport trucks, etc.).
Besides, at this point Russia (Putin & his cronies) has
committed so much of its resources and economy into this
war that it cannot afford to stop. It has become an
existential war for the Kremlin if you will. So now that
Ukraine has regained some initiative, they might be
compelled to try whatever might work to further erode
western support for Ukraine and fracture NATO.
Hence, a small scale attack on the Baltics is not a
completely unrealistic scenario. Russia does not need
large amounts of manpower and resources (relatively
speaking) to do that. What comes next entirely hinges on
NATO members' willingness to respect article 5. |
/u/Ironclad_Cat_1773
I always wonder how much of the US military has the same
issues |
/u/qwerni
That's what +-35 years of corruption and Kleptocracy can
do to you. |
/u/Cultural_Gur_7441
I bet Trump can do in in 3½ years... |
/u/BioFrosted
I'm looking at three books as we speak and for the life
of me can't remember in which I read this in, but I
remember reading about how expectations make no sense
when they're made from a position of safety.
The analogy was made with running: your max running
speed when you're just trying to see what it is, with no
stakes, is one value. That value is likely smaller from
the speed you'd achieve if there was a hefty cash prize
at the end of the race. And both values would likely
further pale in contrast with your speed when getting
chased by a bear.
Same applies here: if you look at Ukraine's military,
it makes no sense that they're winning in terms of
logistics. If you're looking at it in terms of they're
fighting for their lives, their mothers' lives, their
homes and everything that's worth living for, it does
shift the scale.
I'm not at all trying to minimize what Ukraine has been
doing for four years, it has been beyond incredible,
what I'm saying is that "conventional military
expectations" are about as accurate as the horoscope
because they don't, and I believe the just can't, take
into account the resilience and adaptability that comes
from fighting for your survival. |
/u/manu144x
I heard someone say back in 2020, before the conflict,
that Ukraine may be small compared to Russia, but in
this russia vs ukraine, ukraine is like a porcupine.
Russia can probably do it, but at a massive cost because
they will NOT go down easily.
And they were right, even if nobody thought they'd
resist, they at least accepted that it would do great
damage to Russia.
The lucky part for everyone is that Putin really didn't
believe that, he thought Ukraine is some weak ass
people, so he didn't fully commit, he did a half-assed
operation thinking just marching into Kiev with 1000
paratroopers will give him victory.
Now, once the spirit of ukranians has been awakened, I
think it's clear (barred nuclear weapons deployment)
Russia is headed towards a 1917 scenario where their
army will just dissolve and starve.
Luckily for Putin, this time it will largely happen on
the Ukranian territory so he can probably save himself
at home. |
/u/cyberslick18888
The analogy was made with running: your max running
speed when you're just trying to see what it is, with no
stakes, is one value. That value is likely smaller from
the speed you'd achieve if there was a hefty cash prize
at the end of the race. And both values would likely
further pale in contrast with your speed when getting
chased by a bear.
For what it's worth, several studies have shown this to
not be the case, and that people generally achieve their
own physical bests when they are NOT forced to by
external stimuli.
There is probably an argument to be made about the
validity or conclusions from some of those studies, but
still. When we do our best to prove that thesis, it
doesn't immediately ring true.
I think the metaphor still stands in your example
though. |
/u/KaiCypret
I'll always remember the first couple of weeks of the
invasion when you saw videos of crowds of civilians
churning out molotov cocktails by the hundreds. The
Russians were never going to break them. |
/u/WoTpro
if you thought Spartans where a badass tribe, then meet
the Kyivan Rus' |
/u/bandwagonguy83
RUS fight for conquest and to get some resources. UKR
fights for survival. Asymmetric incentives. |
/u/New_Study_8061
They're fighting the good fight, for their freedom.
Russia is just an obsolete empire soon to be followed by
USA. |
/u/LostInRetransmission
They are actually hitting Russia where it will hurt them
the most: refineries and tanker. |
/u/Timely_Fly_5639
Thank goodness they have turned off mobile internet in
Moscow to prevent Ukrainian drones reaching it.... Wait
a moment... |
/u/Competitive-Tap-3659
I think they've mostly shut it down to prevent ordinary
Russians from filming the consequence of their own
actions and posting it online. Nothing to see here... |
/u/Lazar_Milgram
Craig Mazin will have a great follow up series in couple
of years. |
/u/MojitoBurrito-AE
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen |
/u/ArgentineBeauty
They had enough warning to start shutting down the
refinery, but it still got hit.
That says a lot about both the limits of Russia's air
defenses and how far Ukraine can reach now.
If Ukraine can keep pulling off strikes like this, it's
going to put more pressure on Russia |
/u/WayAdmirable150
Ukraine took out 6 or 7 air defence yesterday, not only
they manage to reach targets, but also everyday it
becomes more easier to do it. |
/u/SeesawLopsided4664
Yeah they have taken out hundreds over the last few
months, gradually prying open pockets in the sky. We're
now watching the landslide effect from that sustained
anti air campaign. Expect more and more of this. |
/u/zossima
Anti anti-air campaign really |
/u/the_mooseman
Moscow never sleeps. |
/u/Altruistic_Aioli_304
Especially after this. 👋😄 |
/u/cyberslick18888
6 or 7 of how many many? 10? 100? 15,000? |
/u/ThreeTreesForTheePls
1 hit in 10000 is still 1 hit.
You think they're looking at the refinery and laughing
because it was hit on the 5719th attempt? |
/u/WayAdmirable150
15000? In you dreams, mate. Air defence is not an AK-47.
They had about 800-1200 systems (radar+ command
center+lauchers counts as one) before war. Now think
about that they took out 6-7 yesterday. So they might
have taken a little bit then 1 percent of all working
system just yesterday.
Its clear, that the sky is open for drones and rockets.
They cant defend even Moscow anymore. |
/u/Etherius
While true, it's also not THAT difficult to stop these
drones though it's VERY demoralizing to see anti-drone
netting surrounding major infrastructure
And even then if you can't get the building itself you
can certainly get the surrounding infrastructure |
/u/4862skrrt2684
What changed for them to not do this earlier in the war? |
/u/IndividualSkill3432
Technology. They were one of the poorest countries in
Europe when the war started, they had been a major
centre of aeronautics and space science in the Soviet
times but the youngest of those workers was 30 years out
of date and headed to retirement.
They began by building small quad copter drones to
supliment the ones they could buy online. They then
started to do things like turn old "general aviation"
aircraft like the 2 man small hobby planes into GPS
guided drones.
They have moved on from their building more and more
complex drones and integrating GPS, then GPS jamming
resistance and various other technologies. Often with
help from European and US very high end engineering.
They used these to slowly chip away at Russian close
air defences, and get occasional hits on the big stuff
like S400. The Russians had vast Cold War stocks of
missiles so were happy to ping $20 000 drones with
missiles meant for supersonic fighters. And they slowly
ate into their reserves.
And after time Ukraines technologies got better and
Russias lack of restrained and lack of care caught up
with them. When Ukraine had to innovate rapidly and
built a nationwide listening system with 10 000s
listening devices to hear slow moving drones, Russia
just used S300s to hit them.
Now Russian air defence is full of holes, Ukraines
attacks are getting more and more sophisticated. |
/u/Thagyr
Not to mention Ukraines production is highly
decentralized. That big new cruise missile Putin
brandished means so little when Ukraine can pump out
drones from someone's backyard shed.
Its the same wartime problem with Iran's shaheds.
Relatively cheap weapon systems that can be built
everywhere and sent to hit targets very far away.
Expensive missiles and airstrikes can't impact that type
of production easily, and it only takes a few to cause
millions of dollars in damage if they slip through. |
/u/Drak_is_Right
I dont know how long slow moving drones will be good for
offense.
Scatter such listening Nets and AI progress to monitor
them and launch interceptor drones...
Especially for long range drones the interceptors can
be tiny and cheap.
$20000 drone gets shot down by a $200 drone
I dont think the slow cheap drones last as a long-range
tactic for more than a decade or so. |
/u/NotThePersona
It will be an arm's race, quicker quieter drones for
offence which week need more expensive drones and
detection for defence.
But Ukraine is also working on the more traditional
missile side of things as well.
And if even if the decade thing is true, the end of
this war should be within that timeframe. |
/u/Drak_is_Right
It will affect the next conflict.
This one? I dont think Russia is capable of a
nationwide effort though I think eventually places like
Moscow will be mostly drone proof in 2 to 3 years.
Granted, they get new better attack drones that 2 to 3
years might go a lot farther. |
/u/gooblefrump
I dont know how long slow moving drones will be good for
offense.
Ukraine strikes Moscow's largest oil refinery, 15
kilometers from the Kremlin
There's video of the drone strike that shows how
surprisingly slow it's moving |
/u/fennecdore
I think it's not just a question of technology but also
the very question on how to approach the war. At the
start of the conflict Ukraine was fighting a
conventional war with a focus on fighting the Russian
troop heads on. Now they focus more on striking the
supply line behind the front line to starve the enemy
forces. |
/u/IndividualSkill3432
Ukraine was using old Soviet era drones as improvised
cruise missiles and its occasionally produced Neptune at
ship missile from very early on. It just took time to
build a cheap alternative. In theory Hrim is still a
thing, Ukraines version of Iskander but it is still
stuck in development.
Getting small drones that could get into Russia took
time. Then getting them in numbers took more time. Now
having them sophisticated enough has arrived, they often
take weird paths, circumventing air defences by
programming and doing all kinds of terminal moving
around to avoid getting shot. They use many of them
simply to map out Russian air defences, others to
saturate missile batteries and others as diversions.
Its way more complex than people realise. That took a
few years to build out the capability. |
/u/fennecdore
Don't forget integrating them with the troop on the
ground this also takes time and can be source of
frustration |
/u/MLockeTM
Tangential; it is amazing, but also horrifying, how fast
humanity can innovate in a crisis - war, pandemic, what
have you.
...but we need a crisis to do so. If we showed our best
and most inventive, and most enduring and creative at
normal times, we'd already live among the stars in a
post scarcity utopia. |
/u/Akkalevil
In fact, not only "one of the poorest", but actually
"the single poorest". Ukraine GDP per capita was even
lower than Bielorussia and Moldova.
Also, not just technology but Western pressure :
Ukraine was in dire need of support, but most of the
Western allies were cowards when it came to Russia, and
didn't allow to strike Russian territory, only invaded
parts of Ukraine.
With time, they relaxed their stance, but it certainly
constrained a lot Ukraine in the beginning. |
/u/PleasantPersimmon798
Absolutly, they would strike the refaneries from day obe
if leaders from EU were not such pussies |
/u/kristamine14
The US stopped supplying aid and in doing so sacrificed
any leverage they had over Ukraine to stop them from
striking deep into Russian territory, previously they
had been pressuring Ukraine not to do so.
Ukraine has also developed their own internal missile
production system using their own designs, and has
significantly advanced the drone warfare side of things
in recent months |
/u/IndividualSkill3432
Ukraine was attackign Russian soil from early in the
war. A Mil 24 was being used to raid Belgorod in the
first couple of months. Ukraine only really began
getting relatively long range drones around 2024 with
things like the A-22 Foxbat so they only began seriously
hitting Russia around or just after that.
On April 2 2024 a large drone was filmed diving into a
building associated with a factory in Yelabuga,
Tatarstan. The factory, which reportedly manufacturers
Shahed type drones, is 1,300km (807 miles) from the
Ukraine-Russia border. The drone appears to be a
weaponized light aircraft. Numerous sources identified
the base aircraft as a Ukrainian made Aeroprakt A-22
Foxbat ultralight.
https://www.hisutton.com/Ukraine-OWA-UAVs.html
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/liutyi-attack-drone-upgr
aded-for-strikes-with-increased-payload/
They were hitting Russia with things like Lyutti but
these were pretty light.
There was a restriction on energy infrastructure that
was sometimes observed. Both sides now hammering each
others as that has broken down and no one cares to
really stop it. |
/u/Masseyrati80
The threat of crossing red lines early on was very real:
key countries giving or selling them weapons, weapon
systems and ammo, pretty much said the deals would be
off the second they ended up used on Russian soil.
The position of being able to say "they're attacking us
on our soil, while we're doing nothing that could be
claimed even by propagandists to be provocative" was
probably seen somewhat valuable. Striking industrial
targets is a step away from that, while, for most people
still much, much less dramatic than purposefully
targeting civilians which Russia has been doing all
along.
Since then, Ukraine has developed their own weapons,
and since crossing Russia's red lines have proven to
only result in a bigger than average nightly attack on
civilian targets instead of ending up in nuclear winter,
the situation is very different. |
/u/BuryDeadCakes2
Probably pressure from the US to not escalate, even
though ruZZia is doing it to them |
/u/Majukun
Both allies asking them not to do it and refinement of
their war technology. At this point Ukrainians are
experts of drone warfare and probably top of the world
in this specific niche. |
/u/curiousplatypus25
The only weapons that could reach this far were very
expensive western missiles, which were also under a lot
of usage restrictions for a while (not being allowed to
strike Russia proper with them until fairly recently).
Now they have a lot more options to strike far into
Russia more efficiently. |
/u/Etherius
Russia is under catastrophic amounts of economic
pressure.
Originally the world was worried the American/israeli
attacks on Iran would be a windfall for Russian oil.
Ukraine took care of the problem |
/u/LordDemetrius
Everything is going according to plan. To Kyiv in 3 days
! |
/u/Soft-Skirt
I am a master strategist. |
/u/Spright91
This is actually what people believed there were so many
comments about Putin being a 300iq 5d chess mastermind. |
/u/Critical-Counter-669
Trump included -
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukr
aine-invasion-00010923 |
/u/Acrobatic-Bake3969
More likely to be in Moscow in 3 days rather than Kyiv |
/u/ZyronZA
Its so funny though. Moscow used to think their distance
protected them and the old adage of "Never March on
Moscow in the winter" is thoroughly debunked (so long as
you march in with drones).
Fuck you putin and especially gfy trump |
/u/PinotRed
And then to Berlin they said.
How? Can't even defend your own capital.. What a
shitshow. |
/u/Mushroom_Tip
I don't think we can call Russia a giant gas station
anymore. Maybe it's finally time to put up a big tent
and call it a circus. |
/u/nuctu
A circus with a tank stuck in the gateway.
https://x.com/it4sec/status/1672489177210920960 |
/u/SheepSurfz
Russia's just becoming a lot of hot air 😂 |
/u/box-o-locks
Considering they don't hold all the cards, they're doing
pretty bloody well. |
/u/Inevitable_Price7841
And without wearing an expensive tailored suit |
/u/box-o-locks
Tailored suits have lots of pockets - good for keeping
cards in. These amateurs just don't know how to fight a
war.
You need to start the war, cause a global economic
downturn and then surrender and pay your enemy billions
in order to get back to where you were before the war.
Only the Americans understand this. |
/u/Inevitable_Price7841
Don't forget massive shoulder pads to hide your frail
shoulders and weak constitution, (and to potentially
hide some inconvenient documents). |
/u/HunkaMunkaHunkaMunka
Trumpy wumpy said Ukraine doesn't have any cards
whatsoever lol. Sure looks like they do to me! |
/u/SkillPointProblems
Good!!! More... mooooore!! |
/u/BigDaddy0790
Spent a few hours detained at the police station near
that refinery on Feb 24th in 2022. Feels good to see
this
Wish I could see the faces of cops who work there. One
of the commanders kept shouting at all of us detained
how we are dumb, and how "oil will overpower anything
else" (meaning as long as we getting rich from that,
doesn't matter if anyone is against the war, we got
money to fight anyway). |
/u/deten
What's the story behind this? |
/u/Ariphaos
I'm guessing /u/BigDaddy0790 was one of the early
antiwar protesters. They'd get arrested, held, and
released. |
/u/BigDaddy0790
The war started, dumb ass me thought that people
wouldn't take it and everyone would flood the streets.
Ended up maybe 15k showing up at most in Moscow (a city
of 13 million), I was one of them, got arrested maybe 2
minutes after arriving to the protest, spent the next
few hours at the police bus and then at the station.
Left the country 3 weeks later. |
/u/tgh_hmn
So much for " we'll win in 48 hours" Go Ukraine!!!! |
/u/K_R_A_K_E_N_540
Retaliation for the 1000 year old building Russians
attacked |
/u/ken-doh
Putin can stop this any time. Just withdraw from
Ukraine. |
/u/smallandnormal
In that case, Ukraine join NATO. |